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	<title>Comments on: The ABC of Censorship</title>
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		<title>By: mike hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.mediahunter.com.au/the-abc-of-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-4607</link>
		<dc:creator>mike hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find it disappointing that the advertisement was censored. it seems to be another example of the overly protective cushioning we seem to be living in nowadays. it is moments like the airings of these heavily confrontational pieces that help shock the general populous out of their comfort zone.
it was clever and cutting and needs to be shown to promote vigorous debate in public. not just in a closed studio environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find it disappointing that the advertisement was censored. it seems to be another example of the overly protective cushioning we seem to be living in nowadays. it is moments like the airings of these heavily confrontational pieces that help shock the general populous out of their comfort zone.<br />
it was clever and cutting and needs to be shown to promote vigorous debate in public. not just in a closed studio environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://www.mediahunter.com.au/the-abc-of-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Dalton&#039;s argument that &quot;some of our viewers could be offended&quot; is hypocrisy.

&quot;Some of our viewers could be offended&quot; by any number of things that are aired every day without an eyelid being blinked. I&#039;m offended by pretty much everything Andrew Bolt says on &lt;em&gt;Insiders&lt;/em&gt;. I&#039;m offended by Virginia Trioli talking about her sagging breasts before 7am. (28 November 2008: check the tape!) But I don&#039;t see Dalton rushing to protect &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;.

I thought the ABC was for all Australians -- even those grown-up enough to have an adult conversation about the advertising industry. Clearly not.

Mr Dalton, if you&#039;re so worried about offending people, just commission endless series of &lt;em&gt;Spicks and Specks&lt;/em&gt; and other mindless entertainment. Bah! ABC TV really is turning into an adult-minding service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Dalton&#8217;s argument that &#8220;some of our viewers could be offended&#8221; is hypocrisy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some of our viewers could be offended&#8221; by any number of things that are aired every day without an eyelid being blinked. I&#8217;m offended by pretty much everything Andrew Bolt says on <em>Insiders</em>. I&#8217;m offended by Virginia Trioli talking about her sagging breasts before 7am. (28 November 2008: check the tape!) But I don&#8217;t see Dalton rushing to protect <em>me</em>.</p>
<p>I thought the ABC was for all Australians &#8212; even those grown-up enough to have an adult conversation about the advertising industry. Clearly not.</p>
<p>Mr Dalton, if you&#8217;re so worried about offending people, just commission endless series of <em>Spicks and Specks</em> and other mindless entertainment. Bah! ABC TV really is turning into an adult-minding service.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfcat</title>
		<link>http://www.mediahunter.com.au/the-abc-of-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal opinion (disclaimer I work the ABC (not in tv) is that the discussion around the add would not fit into the 30 minute format of the show. And that discussion changes the add and how you view it.

If the ABC says anything it will get slammed either by interest groups or in a senate hearing and needs to be careful about how it broadcasts.

Congrats to those involved for putting the add online and bringing the panel back for an indepth discussion.

I do not believe it was censorship, the add is available now... just how is that censored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal opinion (disclaimer I work the ABC (not in tv) is that the discussion around the add would not fit into the 30 minute format of the show. And that discussion changes the add and how you view it.</p>
<p>If the ABC says anything it will get slammed either by interest groups or in a senate hearing and needs to be careful about how it broadcasts.</p>
<p>Congrats to those involved for putting the add online and bringing the panel back for an indepth discussion.</p>
<p>I do not believe it was censorship, the add is available now&#8230; just how is that censored?</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Derek Barry 
Of course the &quot;jokes&quot; are insensitive. That&#039;s the whole point. Watering it down wouldn&#039;t have had the same effect, as Adam Hunt said in the discussion. 

I&#039;m glad ABC didn&#039;t object to Zapruder creating a separate venue for viewing the ad. I think this approach might just have caused more discussion, with Aunty dodging the offense bullet. My opinion of the ABC has slid backwards though -  banning the airing of the ad kind of says that they think their audience can&#039;t handle this kind of debate, with these kind of delicate issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Derek Barry<br />
Of course the &#8220;jokes&#8221; are insensitive. That&#8217;s the whole point. Watering it down wouldn&#8217;t have had the same effect, as Adam Hunt said in the discussion. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad ABC didn&#8217;t object to Zapruder creating a separate venue for viewing the ad. I think this approach might just have caused more discussion, with Aunty dodging the offense bullet. My opinion of the ABC has slid backwards though &#8211;  banning the airing of the ad kind of says that they think their audience can&#8217;t handle this kind of debate, with these kind of delicate issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin

I don&#039;t disagree that there MIGHT have been some strategy behind the censorship and subsequent posting on website. 

For me the debate isn&#039;t about the &quot;effectiveness&#039; of the ad. We can debate every ad ever produced about that. There&#039;s no right or wrong in opinions about an ad, except on the client&#039;s scoreboard.

My question is censorship. The same thing we railed about regarding the proposed Internet Filter. (and yes I understand the diff btwn choosing to click on something online as opposed to viewing something on TV).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that there MIGHT have been some strategy behind the censorship and subsequent posting on website. </p>
<p>For me the debate isn&#8217;t about the &#8220;effectiveness&#8217; of the ad. We can debate every ad ever produced about that. There&#8217;s no right or wrong in opinions about an ad, except on the client&#8217;s scoreboard.</p>
<p>My question is censorship. The same thing we railed about regarding the proposed Internet Filter. (and yes I understand the diff btwn choosing to click on something online as opposed to viewing something on TV).</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Heaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be one of the only ones who didn&#039;t think it was an effective ad then. 

The 10 minute debate explaining the ad probably helped, but as a standalone piece it was nowhere near as effective as the work on racism that was shown in support of the strategy.

Why not show it on air? Perhaps ABC *were* showing an acute awareness of their audiences. By NOT showing it on air, they showed respect for those who may be offended, and by publishing it on the web they opened the door to those curious enough to check it out. And by shifting it to the web, it also opened the debate to a wider audience, rather than just the panel. 

And, sneakily, this gives the Gruen producers a clear understanding of the power/potential of moving some of their programming towards the digital space. Very clever if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be one of the only ones who didn&#8217;t think it was an effective ad then. </p>
<p>The 10 minute debate explaining the ad probably helped, but as a standalone piece it was nowhere near as effective as the work on racism that was shown in support of the strategy.</p>
<p>Why not show it on air? Perhaps ABC *were* showing an acute awareness of their audiences. By NOT showing it on air, they showed respect for those who may be offended, and by publishing it on the web they opened the door to those curious enough to check it out. And by shifting it to the web, it also opened the debate to a wider audience, rather than just the panel. </p>
<p>And, sneakily, this gives the Gruen producers a clear understanding of the power/potential of moving some of their programming towards the digital space. Very clever if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jackmanson</title>
		<link>http://www.mediahunter.com.au/the-abc-of-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-4599</link>
		<dc:creator>David Jackmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the ad. I&#039;m very fat and I&#039;m tired of people thinking it&#039;s OK to abuse me in public for it.

BTW I think the website was set up by Gruen Transfer producers Zapruder&#039;s Other Films, not the ABC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the ad. I&#8217;m very fat and I&#8217;m tired of people thinking it&#8217;s OK to abuse me in public for it.</p>
<p>BTW I think the website was set up by Gruen Transfer producers Zapruder&#8217;s Other Films, not the ABC.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Gruen had 1.2m audience.

The antiprejudice.net website DID have a comments section too (which I didnt see at first) and has received 500 comments thus far. Most I have read so far seem supportive of the ad and many question why it wasn&#039;t aired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Gruen had 1.2m audience.</p>
<p>The antiprejudice.net website DID have a comments section too (which I didnt see at first) and has received 500 comments thus far. Most I have read so far seem supportive of the ad and many question why it wasn&#8217;t aired.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.mediahunter.com.au/the-abc-of-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-4597</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin

Yes I know the danger of generalising and that&#039;s why I pre-empted that comment, but nonetheless Gruen does pull a pretty well educated demo even though it is high rating. (Yes its possible to have both occasionally).

Most people I have shown the ad to thought it was good and very effective. They were confronted by it but understood it. 

Why not show it on air, with a warning, then intelligently debate it?

I definitely agree about including a facility for viewer debate on the website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin</p>
<p>Yes I know the danger of generalising and that&#8217;s why I pre-empted that comment, but nonetheless Gruen does pull a pretty well educated demo even though it is high rating. (Yes its possible to have both occasionally).</p>
<p>Most people I have shown the ad to thought it was good and very effective. They were confronted by it but understood it. </p>
<p>Why not show it on air, with a warning, then intelligently debate it?</p>
<p>I definitely agree about including a facility for viewer debate on the website.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Heaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Its is largely accepted that the viewers are well educated and highly informed. Many are also from the advertising and media industry.&quot; Really? Isn&#039;t Gruen one of the best rating shows on the ABC? That means it gets out of the echo chamber of blogs, social media and Twitter - which can only be a good thing.

As to censorship - isn&#039;t it just a case of allowing the audience to opt-in? If you wanted to see it, you could. The only thing that could have been done better was to invite debate and conversation on the topic on their site (or via a Twitter style API).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its is largely accepted that the viewers are well educated and highly informed. Many are also from the advertising and media industry.&#8221; Really? Isn&#8217;t Gruen one of the best rating shows on the ABC? That means it gets out of the echo chamber of blogs, social media and Twitter &#8211; which can only be a good thing.</p>
<p>As to censorship &#8211; isn&#8217;t it just a case of allowing the audience to opt-in? If you wanted to see it, you could. The only thing that could have been done better was to invite debate and conversation on the topic on their site (or via a Twitter style API).</p>
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